Well, that's a good question. But to me it seems like it might be true, managament after this scandal rather backed off and resigned...Is the Juventus scandal true or false???
FALSE!!!!!!! JUVE 29!!!!!!!Is the Juventus scandal true or false???
Exactly, I wonder why general manager Moggi of Juve would resign? I mean they are the most successful team. Hmmmm? I wonder why???
Obviously some truth in it, if not Moggi won't quit. look at the number of games Juve won this term with the help of referees.
Juventus SUCKS!!! You won again,NO Wonder How much money did it take this time to win.How many players and refs they bought off to win this year?Only they know.They'll probably shut the judges off with bribes and hookers like always.Mafiosi!
Truly false or falsely true
I DONT KNOW
Friday, February 5, 2010
Isn't it funny that ';God's one true church'; had to fork out $660 million in clergy sex abuse scandal?
Judge approves $660M abuse settlement
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070716/ap_o鈥?/a>Isn't it funny that ';God's one true church'; had to fork out $660 million in clergy sex abuse scandal?
%26amp; they said homosexuality is a sin %26amp; so is sex before marriage...
Perverted clergymen...Isn't it funny that ';God's one true church'; had to fork out $660 million in clergy sex abuse scandal?
it was a pay off so the priests do not spend time in the nick so thay can do it again and the vatican can cover it up again
The Church as an extension from Jesus and his Apostles is still ';one and true.'; Unfortunately, the Church is both divine and human. The human side is all too often open to evil (Aren't we all at one time or another? Catholics and Protestants, Democrats and Republicans, etc.). History shows many instances of the human side of the Church getting in the way. And yet, 2000 years later, in spite of the human side, it still struggles towards heaven, and with faith we hang on and hope. Doesn't that say a lot for the patience of the Divinity??
Yeah, it's got that lovely irony! So tough it must be, to be medieval in a modern world. God's one true bank account can handle it, though...
(not laughing about the sexually abused kids tho)
I don't think he means funny as in ';lets have a laugh....at the Catholic expense';.
I think he means its hypocritical.
$1 per touch
Ya - and it seems strange, that Jesus would return, to take credit for all the actions of the Catholic church. Ya - tell me another one . . . Ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .
It's not too funny, it's sad.
Back in the late '70's, one man from Spain wrote a letter to the vatican because of the problem. They but all booted him out of the church because of it. He even wrote a book about it, among other things.
To claim that the vatican hasn't know of this problem for years would be nothing less than a lie from hell itself. The vatican has know of this problem for HUNDREDS of years! THE REASON the vatican doesn't do anything about it is because IT DOESN'T CARE--it never has! You American catholics' have been played for fools for years! And your only belief is that former catholics' and Christians alike are just being mean to you for telling you such things? I really feel sorry for you people--I really do. But rather than face the facts head on, you claim that these rapist are just being human? Now, who's kidding whom?
';In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.'; 2 Corinthians 4:4
Go to this website and scrool down about a third of the way and read the comment about Boys Town, the famous Catholic boys' orphanage founded by ';Father'; Flanagan (played by actor Spencer Tracy in the classic movie). Learn what really happen to boys in the hands of ';g';od's (satan) ';one true church';!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20i鈥?/a>
Why does the ';mainstream press'; condemn the Catholic Church for allowing predatory homosexuals to destroy the lives of boys, while simultaneously condemning the Boy Scouts of America for not allowing precisely the same thing in their organization? Something to ponder!
The catholic church has never been, nor never will be God's ';one true church';. It's own history proves it.
To me, it's sad that the Catholic church misconstrued that bible passage to justify all of their actions. The Greek meaning of ';church'; is not a set of rituals, or a building, or a type of worship, or tradition. ';Church'; actually means the body of true believers, whether they are in Africa or America. The ';one true church'; is Christ's body - so anyone who is truly following Christ is part of His body. Jesus never meant for the Catholic ';church'; to usurp that title and apply it exclusively to themselves. That is spiritual arrogance and they will be judged for it. Hence the $660 million in fines. Hopefully God will use this cleanse and purify their understanding.
who said it was Gods one true church?are you speaking of the catholic religion or what?i am not a catholic,but when i was younger they sure helped me out of a very bad situation.
I wouldnt really call that ';funny';, just sad.
I just wonder who has to pay all the money? could it be the followers that give their 10%.
No, it's not funny. It's very sad. Apparently someone wasn't a good manager.
pretty much.
bad people EVERYWHERE better watch out
If only Alanis Morissette had listed that as ironic.
God I hate that cow.
That proves that ';God's one true church'; is nothing but a big pile of horse manure
I feel bad for them. That's probably over two weeks of income for them.
One can one assume that this was part of God's higher plan, that we are not privy to understanding. Like Noah's Ark.
It makes me sad, to be honest. All those poor kids.
Over 1500 years of collecting money based on lies, trust me they have the money. Im sure they will pass the basket around a couple of more times and their followers will have them back up and running in about 3 weeks.
Its a sad day when you cant be protected in the house of the Lord.
Which is why I say why not pray at home if you want to be spiritual
One thing is for sure, the Catholic church can certainly afford it. Over 1500 years of collecting money based on lies is very profitable.
No it isn't funny. But it shouldn't be a surprise either. God's one true Church was founded by Him for sinners. If its members were not sinners, His Church would not be necessary. The same is true of all other churches. When will they take the same aggressive measures the Catholic Church has taken, to root out and address the same problem among their clergy?
Funny in the sense of odd, yes. Yet they still hold the pretense to being the one true church. Perhaps that is the very reason why the pope declared that all other churches are false. Perhaps they don't create enough child abusers.
How can we trust anything that comes out of these peoples mouths?
yea, hilarious
Nope it is sad. You know other churchs have the same problems too but people seem to make catholics so much worse and they tend to publicly go after them more because of the money that they ';have';. Its funny how it was not a big deal 20 years ago, but after one person received money for it then everyone was getting molested by priests. Sick if you ask me.
No. It isn't funny.
You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking abuse is funny.
If American bishops had listened to the pope ages ago this would not have gone as far as it has. Unfortunately ever since Vatican II, American bishops think they are a Holy See unto themselves.
People ask this atleast 30 times a day, and each time catholics answer 'its evil and we do not like it' yet you people still post it- why? you got your responce, we still have faith in our church.cheap web host
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070716/ap_o鈥?/a>Isn't it funny that ';God's one true church'; had to fork out $660 million in clergy sex abuse scandal?
%26amp; they said homosexuality is a sin %26amp; so is sex before marriage...
Perverted clergymen...Isn't it funny that ';God's one true church'; had to fork out $660 million in clergy sex abuse scandal?
it was a pay off so the priests do not spend time in the nick so thay can do it again and the vatican can cover it up again
The Church as an extension from Jesus and his Apostles is still ';one and true.'; Unfortunately, the Church is both divine and human. The human side is all too often open to evil (Aren't we all at one time or another? Catholics and Protestants, Democrats and Republicans, etc.). History shows many instances of the human side of the Church getting in the way. And yet, 2000 years later, in spite of the human side, it still struggles towards heaven, and with faith we hang on and hope. Doesn't that say a lot for the patience of the Divinity??
Yeah, it's got that lovely irony! So tough it must be, to be medieval in a modern world. God's one true bank account can handle it, though...
(not laughing about the sexually abused kids tho)
I don't think he means funny as in ';lets have a laugh....at the Catholic expense';.
I think he means its hypocritical.
$1 per touch
Ya - and it seems strange, that Jesus would return, to take credit for all the actions of the Catholic church. Ya - tell me another one . . . Ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .
It's not too funny, it's sad.
Back in the late '70's, one man from Spain wrote a letter to the vatican because of the problem. They but all booted him out of the church because of it. He even wrote a book about it, among other things.
To claim that the vatican hasn't know of this problem for years would be nothing less than a lie from hell itself. The vatican has know of this problem for HUNDREDS of years! THE REASON the vatican doesn't do anything about it is because IT DOESN'T CARE--it never has! You American catholics' have been played for fools for years! And your only belief is that former catholics' and Christians alike are just being mean to you for telling you such things? I really feel sorry for you people--I really do. But rather than face the facts head on, you claim that these rapist are just being human? Now, who's kidding whom?
';In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.'; 2 Corinthians 4:4
Go to this website and scrool down about a third of the way and read the comment about Boys Town, the famous Catholic boys' orphanage founded by ';Father'; Flanagan (played by actor Spencer Tracy in the classic movie). Learn what really happen to boys in the hands of ';g';od's (satan) ';one true church';!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20i鈥?/a>
Why does the ';mainstream press'; condemn the Catholic Church for allowing predatory homosexuals to destroy the lives of boys, while simultaneously condemning the Boy Scouts of America for not allowing precisely the same thing in their organization? Something to ponder!
The catholic church has never been, nor never will be God's ';one true church';. It's own history proves it.
To me, it's sad that the Catholic church misconstrued that bible passage to justify all of their actions. The Greek meaning of ';church'; is not a set of rituals, or a building, or a type of worship, or tradition. ';Church'; actually means the body of true believers, whether they are in Africa or America. The ';one true church'; is Christ's body - so anyone who is truly following Christ is part of His body. Jesus never meant for the Catholic ';church'; to usurp that title and apply it exclusively to themselves. That is spiritual arrogance and they will be judged for it. Hence the $660 million in fines. Hopefully God will use this cleanse and purify their understanding.
who said it was Gods one true church?are you speaking of the catholic religion or what?i am not a catholic,but when i was younger they sure helped me out of a very bad situation.
I wouldnt really call that ';funny';, just sad.
I just wonder who has to pay all the money? could it be the followers that give their 10%.
No, it's not funny. It's very sad. Apparently someone wasn't a good manager.
pretty much.
bad people EVERYWHERE better watch out
If only Alanis Morissette had listed that as ironic.
God I hate that cow.
That proves that ';God's one true church'; is nothing but a big pile of horse manure
I feel bad for them. That's probably over two weeks of income for them.
One can one assume that this was part of God's higher plan, that we are not privy to understanding. Like Noah's Ark.
It makes me sad, to be honest. All those poor kids.
Over 1500 years of collecting money based on lies, trust me they have the money. Im sure they will pass the basket around a couple of more times and their followers will have them back up and running in about 3 weeks.
Its a sad day when you cant be protected in the house of the Lord.
Which is why I say why not pray at home if you want to be spiritual
One thing is for sure, the Catholic church can certainly afford it. Over 1500 years of collecting money based on lies is very profitable.
No it isn't funny. But it shouldn't be a surprise either. God's one true Church was founded by Him for sinners. If its members were not sinners, His Church would not be necessary. The same is true of all other churches. When will they take the same aggressive measures the Catholic Church has taken, to root out and address the same problem among their clergy?
Funny in the sense of odd, yes. Yet they still hold the pretense to being the one true church. Perhaps that is the very reason why the pope declared that all other churches are false. Perhaps they don't create enough child abusers.
How can we trust anything that comes out of these peoples mouths?
yea, hilarious
Nope it is sad. You know other churchs have the same problems too but people seem to make catholics so much worse and they tend to publicly go after them more because of the money that they ';have';. Its funny how it was not a big deal 20 years ago, but after one person received money for it then everyone was getting molested by priests. Sick if you ask me.
No. It isn't funny.
You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking abuse is funny.
If American bishops had listened to the pope ages ago this would not have gone as far as it has. Unfortunately ever since Vatican II, American bishops think they are a Holy See unto themselves.
People ask this atleast 30 times a day, and each time catholics answer 'its evil and we do not like it' yet you people still post it- why? you got your responce, we still have faith in our church.
Is it true that this stuff have been recalled due to China's Milk Scandal?
*M%26amp;M,Snickers Mento's yogurt bottle, Dove Choc, Oreo Wafer sticks, Monmilk, Dutchlady Sterilised milk, Wall's all natural mango, mini poppers ice cream, Magnum ice cream, Moosandwhich ice cream, mini Cornetto Youcan ice cream.
* This topic/question is not for making any bad name to any company or etc, im asking this as this stuff spread by SMS/message from handphone..I just need clarify for this stuff TQ
* Sorry for my bad english :3Is it true that this stuff have been recalled due to China's Milk Scandal?
yes:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en%26amp;ned=us鈥?/a>
* This topic/question is not for making any bad name to any company or etc, im asking this as this stuff spread by SMS/message from handphone..I just need clarify for this stuff TQ
* Sorry for my bad english :3Is it true that this stuff have been recalled due to China's Milk Scandal?
yes:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en%26amp;ned=us鈥?/a>
True/False: Every major Cath. archdiocese in U.S. has had a molestation scandal?
I said it did:
I got this response:
';Troll.
Nobody sane believes that ';every major archdiocese of the Roman Catholic Church in the US has had a scandal'; about child molestation. Less than 1/20th of a percent of all Catholic Churches have anything to do with child molestation.
False witness is a grave sin.';
Who is right? This guy, or me?
----Newell, Gay Catholic.True/False: Every major Cath. archdiocese in U.S. has had a molestation scandal?
TrueTrue/False: Every major Cath. archdiocese in U.S. has had a molestation scandal?
Mortality is a probationary time to enable man to repent and serve God鈥擳he fall brought temporal and spiritual death upon all mankind鈥擱edemption comes through repentance鈥擥od himself atoneth for the sins of the world鈥擬ercy is for those who repent鈥擜ll others are subject to God鈥檚 justice鈥擬ercy cometh because of the atonement鈥擮nly the truly penitent are saved.
I find it hard to believe that EVERY major archdiocese has had a child sex scandal. But not that hard.
Do you have evidene for this, maybe a report, or study or even an article from a newspaper.
I am a devout atheist, but to attack a religion based on what you are saying does not bode well with me.
There are also a great deal many of atheist paedophiles.
No....I went to a catholic church and school in ny from the ages of 6-10 and was never molested. No one I knew was ever molested either....
Our archdiocese hasn't had a molestation scandal.
I read the news, so you're right.
I dunno
Neither of you have really cited anything on the topic...
For all we know you're both full of !@#$.
that guy
sorry bro -_-
if there are public schools, yes you would be right
I got this response:
';Troll.
Nobody sane believes that ';every major archdiocese of the Roman Catholic Church in the US has had a scandal'; about child molestation. Less than 1/20th of a percent of all Catholic Churches have anything to do with child molestation.
False witness is a grave sin.';
Who is right? This guy, or me?
----Newell, Gay Catholic.True/False: Every major Cath. archdiocese in U.S. has had a molestation scandal?
TrueTrue/False: Every major Cath. archdiocese in U.S. has had a molestation scandal?
Mortality is a probationary time to enable man to repent and serve God鈥擳he fall brought temporal and spiritual death upon all mankind鈥擱edemption comes through repentance鈥擥od himself atoneth for the sins of the world鈥擬ercy is for those who repent鈥擜ll others are subject to God鈥檚 justice鈥擬ercy cometh because of the atonement鈥擮nly the truly penitent are saved.
I find it hard to believe that EVERY major archdiocese has had a child sex scandal. But not that hard.
Do you have evidene for this, maybe a report, or study or even an article from a newspaper.
I am a devout atheist, but to attack a religion based on what you are saying does not bode well with me.
There are also a great deal many of atheist paedophiles.
No....I went to a catholic church and school in ny from the ages of 6-10 and was never molested. No one I knew was ever molested either....
Our archdiocese hasn't had a molestation scandal.
I read the news, so you're right.
I dunno
Neither of you have really cited anything on the topic...
For all we know you're both full of !@#$.
that guy
sorry bro -_-
if there are public schools, yes you would be right
Is it true that McCain was a part of the ';Saving and Loan Scandal';?
I'm no political expert, but didn't that cost the American taxpayers billions during the Reagan administration?
A co-worker mentioned this to me.Is it true that McCain was a part of the ';Saving and Loan Scandal';?
McCain was investigated as part of the scandal. This investigation cleared him of wrongdoing and it was suspected that the only reason McCain was included in the investigation was to make it a bipartisan scandal since all of the others were Democrats.
Even though McCain was officially cleared of wrongdoing - this was a defining moment in McCain's political career. McCain felt that he had used poor judgement and that the system of 'soft money' had created an atmosphere that encouraged corruption.
After this McCain became a strong champion of campaign finance reform. This resulted in the bipartisan McCain-Fiengold bill that severely limited 'soft money' political contributions.
Is it true that McCain was a part of the ';Saving and Loan Scandal';?
Bill Clinton and Hillary both should be behind bars for there part in savings and loan fraud! They where the key players but only there partners where given sentences. Bill Clinton had a Judge that he instated over turn his impeachment and Felony conviction for lying to a Grand Jury. Obama should be facing jail time for his past dealings also (Judicial Watch web site ) %26lt;%26lt; if you want the facts!!!! So to answer your question you clearly are NOT a expert on politics. But pretty good at spin!
No, a congressional hearing cleared McCain of any wrong doing or involvement.
I dont know about that,but everyone who bought a house they couldnt afford or didnt read the interest info. is..............
absolutely. google ';keating five'; and find out how this man is no maverick.
A co-worker mentioned this to me.Is it true that McCain was a part of the ';Saving and Loan Scandal';?
McCain was investigated as part of the scandal. This investigation cleared him of wrongdoing and it was suspected that the only reason McCain was included in the investigation was to make it a bipartisan scandal since all of the others were Democrats.
Even though McCain was officially cleared of wrongdoing - this was a defining moment in McCain's political career. McCain felt that he had used poor judgement and that the system of 'soft money' had created an atmosphere that encouraged corruption.
After this McCain became a strong champion of campaign finance reform. This resulted in the bipartisan McCain-Fiengold bill that severely limited 'soft money' political contributions.
Is it true that McCain was a part of the ';Saving and Loan Scandal';?
Bill Clinton and Hillary both should be behind bars for there part in savings and loan fraud! They where the key players but only there partners where given sentences. Bill Clinton had a Judge that he instated over turn his impeachment and Felony conviction for lying to a Grand Jury. Obama should be facing jail time for his past dealings also (Judicial Watch web site ) %26lt;%26lt; if you want the facts!!!! So to answer your question you clearly are NOT a expert on politics. But pretty good at spin!
No, a congressional hearing cleared McCain of any wrong doing or involvement.
I dont know about that,but everyone who bought a house they couldnt afford or didnt read the interest info. is..............
absolutely. google ';keating five'; and find out how this man is no maverick.
Is it true that the head of HUD is stepping down due to scandal?
WASHINGTON 鈥?U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Alphonso Jackson announced today he will be stepping down as the nation鈥檚 chief housing officer. Jackson will conclude his government service as the nation鈥檚 13th HUD Secretary on April 18, 2008.
http://www.hud.gov/news/release.cfm?cont鈥?/a>
SCANDAL
==%26gt; WASHINGTON - Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson announced his resignation Monday amid allegations that he displayed political favoritism in the awarding of federal contracts. %26lt;==
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/sto鈥?/a>Is it true that the head of HUD is stepping down due to scandal?
If this is true it is just another thorn removed from the Bush Adminstration.Is it true that the head of HUD is stepping down due to scandal?
How could these things happen under Bush:
Help families keep their homes and revitalize the Federal Housing Administration;
Transform public housing;
Increase and preserve affordable housing;
Help rebuild the battered Gulf Coast following the 2005 hurricanes;
Increase minority homeownership; and
Reduce chronic homelessness.
Oh, the horror...
HUD is - and has always been - a scandal.
';Hey, the slumlords really aren't creating enough ghettos and decay in the inner city, we should step in and screw it up ourselves!';
I remember hearing something to that effect during the clinton administration, but i have yet to hear it about Bush's HUD Secretary. Of course, I may be a little behind in today's news.
LOL, now all we need is the secretary of labor to step down and Bush has a 100% Cabinet resignation rate.
He already has set a record.
Business as usual in the Bush Admin.
http://www.hud.gov/news/release.cfm?cont鈥?/a>
SCANDAL
==%26gt; WASHINGTON - Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson announced his resignation Monday amid allegations that he displayed political favoritism in the awarding of federal contracts. %26lt;==
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/sto鈥?/a>Is it true that the head of HUD is stepping down due to scandal?
If this is true it is just another thorn removed from the Bush Adminstration.Is it true that the head of HUD is stepping down due to scandal?
How could these things happen under Bush:
Help families keep their homes and revitalize the Federal Housing Administration;
Transform public housing;
Increase and preserve affordable housing;
Help rebuild the battered Gulf Coast following the 2005 hurricanes;
Increase minority homeownership; and
Reduce chronic homelessness.
Oh, the horror...
HUD is - and has always been - a scandal.
';Hey, the slumlords really aren't creating enough ghettos and decay in the inner city, we should step in and screw it up ourselves!';
I remember hearing something to that effect during the clinton administration, but i have yet to hear it about Bush's HUD Secretary. Of course, I may be a little behind in today's news.
LOL, now all we need is the secretary of labor to step down and Bush has a 100% Cabinet resignation rate.
He already has set a record.
Business as usual in the Bush Admin.
Are reports of abuse, scandal, and cult like rituals within the Mormon/LDS true, or slander against the church
Just was dumped by a mormon after a long relationship. He never answered my questions about the Church directly, and brushed aside any concerns of mine. I was just curious of reports one sometimes sees about the LDS are true, and also why they are so very exclusive of non members. I was ecxluded many times because I was not a member. Thank you.Are reports of abuse, scandal, and cult like rituals within the Mormon/LDS true, or slander against the church
It's not slander, especially the sexual abuse. See the following link...
http://www.rickross.com/groups/mormon.ht鈥?/a>
That is just a small sample of them, many are still ongoing.Are reports of abuse, scandal, and cult like rituals within the Mormon/LDS true, or slander against the church
sexual abuse sadly happens everywhere and shouldn't be seen any different just because some cases happen in the mormon church. people make mistakes. the church shouldn't be blamed for individual's bad choices.
the church is very concerned about the image it was given years ago as a cult.
they practice a faith that is missunderstood by a lot of people as they keep to themselves.
the timple is a spiritual place and what goes on there is for the person whom truelly believes and has a '; clean'; life.
they will not talk about it to non-believers, or people not a part of the church.
a lot of what they do is out in the open, and you can og to the lds web site for that info. http://www.lds.org/
but what they dont talk about openly is held sacrid to them as things passed down to them from god.
if you are not a part of the church then it is not passed down for you.
as for the rest, a lot of things have been said about the church and its members for years.
i was baptised a member about 8 years ago so i know.
i-m me and i tlk about it.
Sadly yes there is abuse within the LDS church. But remember there is abuse within all churchs.
Sorry that you got dumped by a mormon. He should have answered your questions about the chruch. Parts of the church we do hold sacred and don't tell what gose on because of the covents that we make with God. LIke what gose on in the Temples.
Most of your questions can be answered by going to www.lds.org. That is where I would recomend going. Don't do a interent search cause you will only find more anti than the truth.
Also talk to the missionaries in your area. They would be more willing to answer your questions also.
Hmmm... The ones I see on the news are members of the Reformed Church... a splinter group of Mormons that did not want to give up polygamy.... or something (I'm not actually sure how they are different.... just that some of them have multiple wives when those of my church do not)
the mormon church thinks they are betetr than everyone else who is not mormon. and yes the scandals you hear about the church are true. there is a sect that splintered off that still practices bigamy, (multiple wives) and many other past traditions the LDS church has dropped.
You will find that is not Just slander against the Morman church.
I am LDS.
Abuse-The church does not tolerate abuse of any form. There may be, however, some individual members who are guilty of abuse. In such cases, if the church is made aware, the members are disciplined and, depending on the situation, could be ex-communicated from the church. There are counseling services available for members as well.
Scandal-Again, the church has not been involved in ';scandals';. There may be individuals who have, but the church believes in upholding and sustaining the law.
Cult-like rituals- I have also participated in all of the ordinances of the church and would say that they are not cult-like at all. Most are brief, simple, and might even be seen as boring to some. The Temple is often seen as secretive because not everyone is allowed to enter. This is no different than Temples in the ancient times. In fact, many of the ordinances under the law of Moses would be considered ';cult-like'; by most christians today, so I am not really sure what the problem is.
Exlcusion-This is very surprising because we typically try to invite others to participate in all aspects of our religion except the Temple. Hopefully, it was just mis-communication. You must also remember that church members are not perfect, we are humans and do make mistakes.
Finally, if you have any other questions, I would be more than happy to answer them. The Gospel is very important to me and I would hate for you to have a negative feeling about it because of your recent experiences. Please feel free to contact me.
I was not a mormon but used to be a Jehovah's Witness and I suspect they operate the same way. They dont want to tell you everything until you are lured in by what you think is good about them. It may be true that every religion has scandals and the more than one wife thing is only in certain sects of mormons. I dont know about cult like rituals in the mormon religion but I think that they say you have to get married in their temple or it doesnt count in heaven. Bottom line is they believe a prophet beyond the Bible and one that contradicts the bible so that is why I dont believe what they teach.
i think some are true and some are slanderous. which ones? we'll probably never know.
As a fully active member of the LDS church (have been all my life, and I have participated in every ordinance there is to participate in), I can say with no qualms at all that there are no big secret cult like rituals, scandals, or abuse situations. I have heard news stories of members in positions of authority who have done things that are bad, but that is a reflection of the bad choices and sins of those people, and the church deals very strictly with such situations. Polygamy has no part in the church, and anyone who claims to be Mormon and participates in polygamy is a Mormon only in their own mind-- any person practicing polygamy is excommunicated from the church.
The reason that Mormons may seem exclusive is because the most important aspect of the LDS religion is family and marriage. It is our belief that marriage inside the temple is essential to our spiritual progress, and only worthy members of the church can enter the temple.
If your boyfriend was not good about answering questions about the church, it may have been because he didn't personally feel comfortable talking about it. Based on some of the answers you are bound to receive, it should be obvious to see that there are some nut-jobs out there with very strong (and uninformed) opinions about the LDS church. There are a lot of myths and lies circulating about the church, and any attempt to rebuff them is met with the response of, ';you are lying, you are covering up.'; Sometimes it is just easier not to open that can of worms.
Seeing as how your question is vague, you have to expect vague answers in reply.
Regarding abuse and scandal, yep, it happens with us too. We're not perfect people, and we're not guaranteed to get into heaven unless we follow God's commandments. (In fact, it's a bit more difficult, because we have more commandments than most Christians, because of the additional scriptures.)
Scandals and abuse happen when people get selfish. As a church, we're not happy with it, because it's damaging to our efforts to be a good example of Christ's gospel.
As for being excluded, you need to be more specific. Were you excluded from a picnic/softball game, or from a sacred ordinance in one of our temples? Hopefully you can understand those activities aren't in the same category.
We'd probably need to examine it case-by-case. On the whole, I've found Mormons to be very decent people and not as religiously repulsive as more fundamental Christian groups.
I don't understand your claim of exclusionism ... I've continually been invited to gatherings and functions with Mormons, though I very rarely accept the offer.
Many ';Christian'; denominations consider Mormons to be cult-members ... a rather unfair claim. There certainly is a lot of anti-Mormon slander present in our society.
It's not slander, especially the sexual abuse. See the following link...
http://www.rickross.com/groups/mormon.ht鈥?/a>
That is just a small sample of them, many are still ongoing.Are reports of abuse, scandal, and cult like rituals within the Mormon/LDS true, or slander against the church
sexual abuse sadly happens everywhere and shouldn't be seen any different just because some cases happen in the mormon church. people make mistakes. the church shouldn't be blamed for individual's bad choices.
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the church is very concerned about the image it was given years ago as a cult.
they practice a faith that is missunderstood by a lot of people as they keep to themselves.
the timple is a spiritual place and what goes on there is for the person whom truelly believes and has a '; clean'; life.
they will not talk about it to non-believers, or people not a part of the church.
a lot of what they do is out in the open, and you can og to the lds web site for that info. http://www.lds.org/
but what they dont talk about openly is held sacrid to them as things passed down to them from god.
if you are not a part of the church then it is not passed down for you.
as for the rest, a lot of things have been said about the church and its members for years.
i was baptised a member about 8 years ago so i know.
i-m me and i tlk about it.
Sadly yes there is abuse within the LDS church. But remember there is abuse within all churchs.
Sorry that you got dumped by a mormon. He should have answered your questions about the chruch. Parts of the church we do hold sacred and don't tell what gose on because of the covents that we make with God. LIke what gose on in the Temples.
Most of your questions can be answered by going to www.lds.org. That is where I would recomend going. Don't do a interent search cause you will only find more anti than the truth.
Also talk to the missionaries in your area. They would be more willing to answer your questions also.
Hmmm... The ones I see on the news are members of the Reformed Church... a splinter group of Mormons that did not want to give up polygamy.... or something (I'm not actually sure how they are different.... just that some of them have multiple wives when those of my church do not)
the mormon church thinks they are betetr than everyone else who is not mormon. and yes the scandals you hear about the church are true. there is a sect that splintered off that still practices bigamy, (multiple wives) and many other past traditions the LDS church has dropped.
You will find that is not Just slander against the Morman church.
I am LDS.
Abuse-The church does not tolerate abuse of any form. There may be, however, some individual members who are guilty of abuse. In such cases, if the church is made aware, the members are disciplined and, depending on the situation, could be ex-communicated from the church. There are counseling services available for members as well.
Scandal-Again, the church has not been involved in ';scandals';. There may be individuals who have, but the church believes in upholding and sustaining the law.
Cult-like rituals- I have also participated in all of the ordinances of the church and would say that they are not cult-like at all. Most are brief, simple, and might even be seen as boring to some. The Temple is often seen as secretive because not everyone is allowed to enter. This is no different than Temples in the ancient times. In fact, many of the ordinances under the law of Moses would be considered ';cult-like'; by most christians today, so I am not really sure what the problem is.
Exlcusion-This is very surprising because we typically try to invite others to participate in all aspects of our religion except the Temple. Hopefully, it was just mis-communication. You must also remember that church members are not perfect, we are humans and do make mistakes.
Finally, if you have any other questions, I would be more than happy to answer them. The Gospel is very important to me and I would hate for you to have a negative feeling about it because of your recent experiences. Please feel free to contact me.
I was not a mormon but used to be a Jehovah's Witness and I suspect they operate the same way. They dont want to tell you everything until you are lured in by what you think is good about them. It may be true that every religion has scandals and the more than one wife thing is only in certain sects of mormons. I dont know about cult like rituals in the mormon religion but I think that they say you have to get married in their temple or it doesnt count in heaven. Bottom line is they believe a prophet beyond the Bible and one that contradicts the bible so that is why I dont believe what they teach.
i think some are true and some are slanderous. which ones? we'll probably never know.
As a fully active member of the LDS church (have been all my life, and I have participated in every ordinance there is to participate in), I can say with no qualms at all that there are no big secret cult like rituals, scandals, or abuse situations. I have heard news stories of members in positions of authority who have done things that are bad, but that is a reflection of the bad choices and sins of those people, and the church deals very strictly with such situations. Polygamy has no part in the church, and anyone who claims to be Mormon and participates in polygamy is a Mormon only in their own mind-- any person practicing polygamy is excommunicated from the church.
The reason that Mormons may seem exclusive is because the most important aspect of the LDS religion is family and marriage. It is our belief that marriage inside the temple is essential to our spiritual progress, and only worthy members of the church can enter the temple.
If your boyfriend was not good about answering questions about the church, it may have been because he didn't personally feel comfortable talking about it. Based on some of the answers you are bound to receive, it should be obvious to see that there are some nut-jobs out there with very strong (and uninformed) opinions about the LDS church. There are a lot of myths and lies circulating about the church, and any attempt to rebuff them is met with the response of, ';you are lying, you are covering up.'; Sometimes it is just easier not to open that can of worms.
Seeing as how your question is vague, you have to expect vague answers in reply.
Regarding abuse and scandal, yep, it happens with us too. We're not perfect people, and we're not guaranteed to get into heaven unless we follow God's commandments. (In fact, it's a bit more difficult, because we have more commandments than most Christians, because of the additional scriptures.)
Scandals and abuse happen when people get selfish. As a church, we're not happy with it, because it's damaging to our efforts to be a good example of Christ's gospel.
As for being excluded, you need to be more specific. Were you excluded from a picnic/softball game, or from a sacred ordinance in one of our temples? Hopefully you can understand those activities aren't in the same category.
We'd probably need to examine it case-by-case. On the whole, I've found Mormons to be very decent people and not as religiously repulsive as more fundamental Christian groups.
I don't understand your claim of exclusionism ... I've continually been invited to gatherings and functions with Mormons, though I very rarely accept the offer.
Many ';Christian'; denominations consider Mormons to be cult-members ... a rather unfair claim. There certainly is a lot of anti-Mormon slander present in our society.
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